tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16247793223167835382024-03-12T22:13:06.228-06:00Ancestors Employedexploring the past, connecting generations, finding cousins, using technologyDon Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-79866488279397490512017-06-04T23:28:00.000-06:002017-06-05T09:55:18.329-06:00Liecht Family of Obergoldbach in BiglenA study of the Liechti family of Biglen has turned out to be more complex than thought. Biglen, Arni, and Landiswil are the three gemeinden within the Kirchgemiende of Biglen. In genealogies and <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/person/KH3Q-QJ9/details">FamilySearch family tree</a> everyone is noted as being from Biglen. Biglen gemeinde cover about 1 ½ square miles while Arni and Landiswil cover about 4 square miles each. The distance between Landiswil dorf to Biglen dorf is about 4 miles.<br>
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My last count of families in Biglen from 1700 to 1750 is at 30 with an average family size of about 5 children, of course, some children did not survive childhood. Obergoldbach is not only a dorf but also one of three districts within Landiswil. I’ve found four families in Obergoldbach district from the following places, Längacker, Schlöttermoos, Aspi, and Obergoldbach. The records in this time period only noted the hamlet, so it is necessary to <a href="https://map.search.ch/Landiswil?pos=619102,200450&z=128">have a map</a> to determine where the places are located. <br>
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My fifth great grandmother, Anna Liechti, was born 6 October 1754 in Obergoldbach. The records indicate that her father Niclaus Liechti (1728-1797) was a gerber. A gerber is a tanner. A tanner is someone who makes leather from rawhides. Occupations are occasionally recorded in the records, but it implies that others in the family followed this occupation. In a 1798 census, a cousin of Anna Liechti’s was recorded as being a gerber. Most people worked on the land, so this is an identifying characteristic for this family.
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<a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2293&tree=Recherswil">Joseph Liechti and Barbara Haggi</a> are one a few Liechti families from the Obergoldbach area. They had 9 children from 1710 to 1731. Four of their children are noted in this blog; Peter (1717-1776), Catharina (1722-1797), Niclaus (1728-1797), and Barbara (1731-1800). Christian and Ulrich are known to have survived to adulthood. <br>
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<u>Each baptism record provides possible clues to relatives as there are 3 witnesses recorded for each baptism.</u> Some records note a direct relationship while others are inferred in the context of what is known. While some witnesses show an obvious connection others show no connection. Broadly looking at all the contemporary families allows one to see the importance of any particular witness. <br>
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My direct line ancestors, <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2152&tree=Recherswil">Niklaus Liechti (1728-1797)</a> and Catharina Aeschlimann, married on 30 January 1750 and had 5 girls. The following witnesses of consequence are found in the records: Hans Liechti von Obergoldbach; Barbara Liechti, Christian Minder’s wife; Christian Haggi von Goldbach; Barbara Haggi, widow of Joseph Liechti. <u>In summary the records note Niklaus’s mother, Barbara Haggi</u>; and a sister, Barbara Liechti. Hans Liechti a relative is also noted. The records also note that Niklaus is von Obergoldbach and that he is a gerber.<br>
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Anna, the only child of Christian Minder and <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2296&tree=Recherswil">Barbara Liechit (1731-1800)</a> was born in 1756. An important relationship is noted. Catharina Liechti wife of Hans Liechti’s from Ramisberg is directly noted as being a sister of Barbara’s. This entry has the perfect elements of a witness. It notes the relationship, her husband, and where they were living, Ramisberg.<br>
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Upon looking at the children of Hans Liecht von Ramisberg and <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2295&tree=Recherswil">Catharina Liechti (1722-1797)</a> from Obergoldbach other connections are found. Barbara Liechti, Christian Minder’s wife is noted. Elisabeth and Christian Liechti from Obergoldbach, and Anna Rüfenacht from Worb are noted. I am still debating whether Ulrich Liechti noted as a witness in 1750 belongs to Hans or Catharina. <br>
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Now we turn our attention to another sibling, <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2298&tree=Recherswil">Peter (1717-1776)</a>. He married Anna Rüfenacht in 1750. Ten children were born to them. They lived in Müsingen from about 1750 to 1765 and can also be found in Worb and Biglen records in that time period. When a child was born 1755 in Biglen, one witness, Christian Liechti is noted as being a sibling of Peters. Cathri Liechti, wife of Hans Liechti from Ramisberg is also noted. When a daughter, Anna, was born in 1762 the witnesses, Niklaus and Catharina are directly noted as being siblings to Peter. In about 1765 they moved from Münsingen to Worb where 4 family members are noted in the burial records in the 1770’s. <br>
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In summary: Many of the same people appear as witnesses from family to family. We have a possible 60 witnesses since 20 children were born within a 21 year period from 1750 to 1771. Of course, Peter was not living in Landiswil, so it would be expected that most of those witnesses would not be connected.<br>
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In Post 1700 the places the Liechti families lived is paramount in determining how they connect. Families often stayed in the same place or hamlet for generations within a parish. The minister of the parish noted where each family lived so he could differentiate between families. A couple with the same surname of Liechti married, so we know that some of them are not closely related. With the FamilySearch family tree being so fragmented it becomes a struggle to determine how families connect from generation to generation. There are certainly other connections to be made in this generation and in following generations. I have included <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/showsource.php?sourceID=S337&tree=Recherswil">some sources</a> on my website that support my conclusions.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Landiswil, Switzerland46.9582 7.680039999999962746.9148475 7.5993589999999624 47.001552499999995 7.7607209999999629tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-26812034522995417062016-05-08T11:52:00.000-06:002016-05-08T11:52:31.673-06:00Luthi Tanner/Danner connection - BolligenWe have two families, the Lüthi and Tanner families with connections to Bolligen who hadn’t lived in there heimats for many years. In the case of the Lüthi there is no evidence that they lived in Lauperswil since about 1710, until Niclaus and his brother Bendicht returned in about 1780 at the death of their father Anthoni who died in 1779. Lauperswil is about <a href="http://map.search.ch/Bolligen,Bolligenstr.103-@604464,202764..Lauperswil?z=32">15 miles east of Bolligen</a>. What we do know is that there was a Lüthi family in Bolligen starting about 1750, and it’s not the Niklaus Lüthi born in 1744. When Niclaus Lüthi married Anna Habbeger in 1775, its says he was living in Bolligen, and there first two children were born there. The marriage record states, “Niclaus Lüti von heir wohnhaft in Bolligen mit Anna Hapeger von Signau“
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Maria Lüthi was born on 13 June 1790 in Bolligen daughter of <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2865&tree=Bolligen">Niclaus Lüthi (1753)</a> from Lauperswil and Verena Danner (about 1770) (Tanner) from Rüderswil or as the birth record of Maria says, Maria Tanner from Signau. <u>This is quite unusual to see such a contradiction in the records.</u> <br>
Billeters research pre 1950 has Niklaus Lüthi (1744) as Maria’s father. There is little doubt that this connection is wrong since there is a <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor§ion=details&person=KHDF-GK6">Niclaus Lüthi (KHDF-GK6)</a> born in 1753 in Bolligen and was from Lauperswil. Anthoni Lüthi was the father of Niclaus Lüthi who was born in 1753. Anthoni Lüthi died 1779; there after we see that both Niklaus and Bendicht his brother are back in Lauperswil. Bendicht’s death record is found in Bolligen in 1814, but there is no sign of Niklaus.<br>
After Maria’s birth in 1790 both parents seem to have disappeared, so I unable to reach a conclusion from there death records. To add more confusion to the matter, Niklaus Lüthi married Verena Tanner in 1789 in Lauperswil and 7 months later Maria was born. The only clue we have is when Niklaus Lüthi married in 1789 he was a widower, perhaps Verena Danner (Tanner) was a widow as well; since, when Maria is born in 1790, the record says her mother is Maria Tanner from Signau. <br> There is no marriage record for a Niklaus Tanner and Maria Tanner, so it is assumed that a mistake was made in recording the birth/baptism record in Bolligen in 1790. As there is doubt in the Danner/Tanner connection there is little doubt in the Niklaus Luthi connection. No one has pursued the Maria Tanner from Signau connection, so further research may provide a different conclusion. Where is the birth record for Verena Tanner from Rüderswil? It is assumed that she would have been born 1750 to 1770.<a href="http://map.search.ch/Bolligen,Bolligenstr.103-@604464,202764..R%C3%BCderswil..Signau..Lauperswil?z=32&x=3468m&y=-2132m"> A Map</a> of Bolligen, Signau, Rüderswil, Lauperswil in relation to each other.
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More research is required to sort out the Danner/Tanner connection from Rüderswil. The last time the Danners lived in Rüderswil was in the 1720’s. There is a rather large family of Tanners who were stone masons that lived in Bremgarten, Bolligen , and ultimately in Bern, so I would reach the conclusion that that this family is the most likely connection for Verena Tanner who married in 1789 to Niklaus Lüthi. I have just completed research of this <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor§ion=details&person=9JRS-QP2">Tanner/Danner family from Rüderswil</a> it is only found on the familytree, if you have any Tanner/Danner connections you may want to check it out. Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-53293744983442913752016-04-19T05:00:00.000-06:002016-04-25T00:03:42.505-06:00Rootstech ConferencesI have attended the conference over the past few years. Some of the conference <a href="https://www.rootstech.org/video2/4739499416001">talks are online.</a> This year I had a dual purpose for being at the conference. Recently I have been studying <a href="http://empoweredsustenance.com/electropollution/">electro pollution</a> or commonly referred to as EMF. The classes that most interested me this year were about facebook. Using facebook has many positive possibilities. A person can <a href="http://www.aarp.org/technology/social-media/info-04-2011/create_family_facebook_group.html">create groups on Facebook</a> so only a select audience can participate, so one can turn off all the noise of unrelated topics. The problem I found with face book is that everyone can see your messages and respond so there is a lot of unrelated noise. <br>
Rootstech reminds one of all the resources that are available, but they all come with a price, so be prepared to spend money as entrepreneurs and societies make money selling their wares. It seems that the emphasis is turning away from our standard genealogy programs like Legacy and RootsMagic to cloud computing. Many people will not have a program on their computer, so many will not even know what a Gedcom file is. I remember some conferences ago there was talk of the <a href="http://genealogy.about.com/od/family_tree_software/a/Genealogy-Gedcom.htm">gedcom</a> being replaced as it was created as a result of the digital age and computers in the 1990’s. It appears it will be used by fewer and fewer people as we turn to the cloud for all our genealogical needs. I am researching in Bern Canton, Switzerland registers right now. Since Familysearch has the registers I can go the family tree and the registers and do all my research right there and connect the records to my ancestors. Bern Canton genealogies on familytree are in need of serious repair since they are a creation for the most part from the pre 1950 era. Switzerland is one country that is not covered at conferences as it is small and its records are closed as of 1875.<br>
I also have my genealogy on the internet. I use <a href="http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/">TNG (The Next Generation)</a> It is the most dynamic genealogy program on the web. The set back for most people using this type of program is setting it up; and learning how the program works. Your facing the technology as well as the genealogy with this type of program. It is Gedcom based. I have my <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/index.php">Scogings Mckenzie</a> and <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/">Jaggi Stettler</a> genealogy online using TNG.<br><br>
I have noticed that when I go to these conferences at the Salt Palace that I get tired and cannot sleep at night making the 2nd and 3rd day of the conference rather hard to stay awake. This past summer I bought an electrosmog meter. It measures the microwaves in the air. Long before cell phones there was a debate about at what level microwaves can be tolerated. The debate in the 1940’s and 1950’s was about the <a href="http://www.magdahavas.org/category/publications-abstracts/cell-broadcast-towers-cell-broadcast-towers-presentations/">thermal and nonthermal (athermal) effect</a>. They decided that the heating effect of the microwaves was the crossing point for it to be considered dangerous. This is the same standard that is in use today. So basically the United States has no standard on microwaves unless you build a microwave weapon. The old Soviet Union was shooting microwaves at our embassy in Moscow from the 1950’s to 1980’s. Some embassy personnel were getting sick. The only problem was that the density was well below our standard, but it was 100 times more than their standard. A country like Switzerland does not allow Wifi in their schools. One can see that some countries take the microwave question quite seriously. There is a book entitiled, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Microwave-Debate-Nicholas-Steneck/dp/0262691175">The Microwave Debate by Nicholas H. Steneck</a> published in 1984. Since 1984 our microwave exposure has increased exponentially, so this book is still relevant. It is interesting as it reviews the history of microwave research and use going back to the 1930's.<br>
The first class at the conference I went to I measured the microwaves at 25 times more than I have in my living space. Of course, I don’t use wireless technology. Typically microwaves go up and down in density, but in this case it stayed constant. I measured microwaves at 25 to 50 times more than my living space throughout the conference. Only a few of the classrooms I was in had low readings. It took me a couple of days to get back to a normal sleep pattern. I never have a sleeping problem. <br>
As genealogist we are exposed to electro pollution in the form of microwaves, magnetic fields, electric fields, and dirty electricity which come from wireless technology, computers, and anything that is plugged in. You won’t hear about any of this since the microwave question was settled over 50 years ago. Industry has invested to much in this technology and in an era of litigation they won't acknowledge anything but the status quo, so there is no innovation. It is something that you can’t see, smell or taste. Industry and government makes decisions based on economics and defense rather than health. One has to go out of the way to find literature on the subject.
So Perhaps the moral of the story is if you can’t sleep go unplugged for a couple of weeks; of course, the ramifications of this goes far beyond sleeping patterns.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Salt Lake City, UT, USA40.7607793 -111.8910473999999940.568390300000004 -112.21377089999999 40.9531683 -111.5683239tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-32477823826815963412016-04-17T11:24:00.000-06:002016-04-17T11:28:30.277-06:00Glauser's in Rüti bei LyssachMy ancestor, <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2769&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">Elisabeth Glauser</a>, from <a href="http://map.search.ch/?q=ruti+bei+lyssach&from=Bolligen%2C+Bolligenstr.+105+%40604456%2C202784&near=623023%2C201728&x=669m&y=12m&z=128" target="_blank">Rüti bei Lyssach</a> was born in 1714 and married Bendicht Rösch, a schoolteacher, in 1732 at the the age of 18. The family lived in Lyssach as this is where Bendicht taught school. The parents of Elisabeth Glauser were Hans Glauser (1685) and Elisabeth Kauert (1685). It must be remembered that Rüti had a very small population with less than a dozen families living there. Hans Glauser (1685) was the only son of Hans Glauser (1641).<a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&section=details&person=K849-FKT" target="_blank"> Hans Glauser (1641)</a> was the son of Jakob Glauser and Anna Iseli. The family lived in Mötschwil, and in the mid 1640’s they moved to Rüti. <u>All Glausers in the parish connect to this family.</u> Niklaus (1652) their son, had by far the most <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">descendants</span>, as he had 2 sons with large families, Hans Ulrich and Samuel. Hans Ulrich was the Kirchmeir in the parish. Samuel was the chorrichter. Hans Ulrich and Samuel lived to an old age. The parish clerk when recording the baptisms noted whether the father was the sohn of the Kirchmeir or Chorrichter. With all the Glauser’s in the parish by 1730 this becomes an invaluable guide as to who the children belonged to. <u><b>The records often note the estate where the family lived, Ramsie or Ramsiehof.</b></u> My ancestor, Elisabeth Glauser (1714) is noted as being from Ramsie in her marriage record in 1732. In fact, many of the records just mention Ramsie instead of Rüti by name. Ramsie is in the upper part of the parish near Lyssach or as I suspect it may have been a detached part. Elisabeth (1714) had a brother, <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2807&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">Michel (1719)</a> who continued the Glauser name through my line. He was the only Michel in the parish in this time period. He became a chorrichter and lived to an old age. <br /><u>Glauser was the predominate name in the parish.</u> There was only a few baptisms and marriages a year.The marriages ended in 1750, 1771 and thereafter all the marriages are found in Kirchberg parish registers. There are no burials, so it is uncertain of who survived. It has been calculated that about 40% never survived childhood.
This Glauser family is in the <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&section=details&person=KZHT-92Z" target="_blank">FamilyTree</a>. The research was conducted in 1990. This is the worst tree that I have come across as many of the family connections were incorrectly connected. The person who performed the research followed no genealogical standards. The relationships were made up. A few of the baptisms were created out of witnesses to an unrelated baptism. I found numerous marriage dates that were made up. I have straightened up most of the tree, so it corresponds to what the records say. Starting in the 1820’s the getauft of the couple was included in the marriage records, so it is simple to connect that generation; however they still did not connect them correctly. So it becomes obvious that whoever did this research did not make an honest effort.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com23421 Rüti bei Lyssach, Switzerland47.0539463 7.578404099999943447.0323098 7.5380635999999432 47.0755828 7.6187445999999435tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-145297123343315962015-09-13T11:29:00.000-06:002016-03-06T12:41:56.897-07:00Maurers in Zollikofen, Part 1Back in 2013 when I first stared researching Swiss records I started to look at the Maurer family but the genealogy was in such disarray that I moved on to other families. Now I have come back to the Maurer family after two years of viewing the online records. I went down to the library and got a copy of Billeter's notes for the Maurer family. His research which was conducted in the 1930's is completely inadequate. On the <a href="https://familysearch.org/" target="_blank">FamilyTree</a> I found that a Bolligen and Zollikofen family of the earliest generation had been combined into one adding to the cunfusion. Many more Maurers were from Bolligen than Zollikofen. In 1764 about 250 people lived in Zollikofen, over 5 times that many lived in Bolligen. To add to the confusion Billeter only included 2 of 9 children for the <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2574&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">family of Marti Maurer and Anna Wanzenried</a>. My ancestor <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I1911&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">Johannes Maurer (1724-1804)</a> had 17 children in two marriages. Billeter once again only notes 2 of the 6 children of his first marriage to Barbara Rohrer. It must be remembered that up to the 1990's there was no access to Bern Canton Swiss records unless you were in Bern to view them at the archives. In 1992-1993 filmed copies of the records made there way into the Family History Library in Utah. Then came the challenge of being able to read and interpret the records. This meant that up to this point in time everyone relied on Billeter and other researchers for genealogical information. Billeter by far being the largest contributor since he is credited with naming about 2 million names in his records many of which were in Bern Canton. <br />
A look at Billeter's notes (1930's) show that Johannes father is noted as being Daniel. Daniel and Martin were noted as being the same person as Johannes baptism record notes Martin as his father, yet Daniel born 1702 is noted as his father. Ironically, <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2585&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">Daniel born 1702</a> was Martin's last child with Anna Wanzenried. It is rather illogical to say the two people named in the records, one as Daniel and one as Martin are the same person. In my years of research I have never come across such a naming pattern such as this. Upon further research I saw that Anna Wanzenried had died in January of 1723 and that a Martin had married in June of 1723 to Barbara Müller and there after Johannes was born. Since Martin (Marti) is not a common name and no other possibilities exist, it is obvious that Martin remarried and had more children. In past centuries it was common for a man to remarry a much younger women after his 1st wife died. Martin lived to 1736. Billeter often did not use death dates, if he had he would have realized that Anna Wanzenried had died and soon after Martin remarried. His work for the Maurer family in Zollikofen seems to have been hastily created in the pre 1750 time period. <br />
And yet another twist in this family which is not so common. <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2575&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank"> Barbara Müller remarried in 1738</a> to a widower, Jakob Zwygart and had 2 more children, Daniel and Christina Zwygart. Thus we see Zwygart witnesses to Maurer baptisms post 1738. <br />
Another item worth mentioning is that the Bremgarten parish registers appear to have been tampered with. Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com4Zollikofen, Switzerland46.9982563 7.451339899999993646.9549353 7.3706588999999934 47.0415773 7.5320208999999938tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-33079570493344621602015-08-31T12:10:00.001-06:002015-09-05T15:36:58.485-06:00Really, 140 year closure period for SwitzerlandMy most popular post on Switzerland is the post, <a href="http://employed-genealogist.blogspot.com/2013/06/138-year-closure-period-for-records-in.html" target="_blank">138 year Closure Period for Records in Switzerland</a>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Obviously
those that research would like to have access to later records.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Genealogy seems to spark the interest of a
few people in every family.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Since the
closure period is across the board for birth, marriage, and death records, it
basically affects is 160 to 170 years when it comes to research which is back
before 1850. Most countries closure
period are not the same for births, marriages and death records;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>the closure period for deaths typically being
in the 50 to 75 year time period.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For
those living today, one has access to ancestors’ records that lived 4 to 5
generations ago who were alive in 1875.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This
Swiss law has basically hindered genealogical research in its country for the
past few generations.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Switzerland is
known for its banking and digital privacy laws.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>How that translates into people researching their ancestors I don’t
know.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A great great grandfathers records
are closed and considered private to prying eyes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you’re doing descendant research it would
be great great uncles, aunts also cousins many generations removed from a
direct line ancestor. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-26614753179838951202015-06-03T14:57:00.000-06:002015-09-05T18:11:13.483-06:00Bern Canton Online digtial images at FamilySearch <h2>
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<span style="color: black;">The</span> online FamilySearch references do not match with the volume references as created by the Bern archives. <u> Reference the records according to the references established by the Bern archives</u>. <span style="background-color: #f3f3f3;"> Consider the reference that FamilySearch has established as a finding aid, since it does not conform with the standard reference. It can be confusing to have two completely different references that refer to the same page;</span> The family history library catalog provides a reference for each parish in Bern Canton with film numbers. Ironically the catalog does not provide volume numbers. (<a href="https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/776166?availability=Family%20History%20Library" target="_blank">Münsingen in Catalog</a>)<br />
The film numbers are becoming less relevant, but until there are links to individual volumes in the wiki, they can be useful in navigating each parishes landing page. <br />
The wiki is being developed with volume numbers, descriptions, links, and film
numbers for every parish in Bern Canton, so one can quickly go to a volume and have a reference for a particular record. See the <a href="https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/M%C3%BCnsingen_parish,_Bern,_Switzerland" target="_blank">Münsingen parish page on the wiki</a> that is being developed. <br />
If the volumes and descriptions are not listed on the wiki then one must go to the pages before page one in the volume you are looking at where you will <a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19607-61244-33?cc=1640373&wc=M59L-K6V:125783201,130654501,125782803,130675201" target="_blank">find the spine of the volume</a>, there you will find a volume number and description. <br />
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<td>Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche Münsingen (Bern) Schweiz, Kirchenbuch, 1528-1875, digital images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1640373, volume K16, Taufenrodel 1796-1828; page 22; <span style="background-color: #f5f6ce;"><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19607-60046-43?cc=1640373" target="_blank">https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19607-60046-43?cc=1640373</a></span>
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<td>Schweiz, Kirchenbücher, 1277-1992," images, FamilySearch <span style="background-color: #f5f6ce;"><a href="https://www.blogger.com/%20https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19607-60046-43?cc=1640373" target="_blank"> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19607-60046-43?cc=1640373</a></span> : accessed 31 May 2015), Bern > Münsingen > Evangelisch-Reformierte > Taufen 1796-1804 > image 14 of 49; Staatsarchiven von Basel-Stadt, Bern und Schaffhausen, Schweiz (Basel-Stadt, Bern, and Schaffhausen State Archives, Switzerland)
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If you go to the <a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19614-3781-68?treeref=LW6L-SPZ;https://familysearch.org/tree/#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FM598-MN5%3A125783201%2C130654501%2C125782803%3Fcc%3D1640373" target="_blank">landing page for Münsingen</a> you will see the sections that it was divided up into. The dates were assigned according to how it was filmed in an arbitrary manner. The dates may be links to many volumes or just part of a volume. The same methodology is used for <a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19607-61244-33?cc=1640373&wc=M59L-K6V:125783201,130654501,125782803,130675201#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FM593-FM9%3A125783201%3Fcc%3D1640373" target="_blank">every parish</a>. In the case of Münsingen some of the volumes ended up on the landing page of another parish, Mühlethurnen.<a href="https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/waypoint/M59Z-GP8:125783201,130522501?cc=1640373"><br /></a><br />
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Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Canton of Bern, Switzerland46.7988621 7.708070099999986345.4084486 5.126283099999986 48.1892756 10.289857099999987tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-85613077433119104422015-03-13T22:10:00.002-06:002015-03-21T22:00:11.940-06:00Switzerland - introduction <div class="MsoNormal">
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland">Demographics of Switzerland</a></div>
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<a href="http://www.worldcat.org/title/julius-billeter-pioneer-swiss-genealogist-a-man-of-faith-and-action/oclc/9225580&referer=brief_results#borrow" target="_blank">Julius Billeter, pioneer Swiss genealogist : a man of faith and action ; digitized at Family History Library</a></div>
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Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-26496226399033764612014-04-07T00:27:00.000-06:002014-04-07T00:27:02.243-06:00Schenk family of Signau that lived in Vechigen<div class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">The
methodology of Billeter’s research to place everyone in their heimat regardless
of where they lived has led to countless errors. While both Schenk families were from Signau,
only one actually lived in Signau. Take the example below:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">I began to
look at the parents of Anna Schenk of Signau and was surprised to find that the
line is incorrect. It is the result of
Billeter’s research in the 1930’s. Christian Stettler married Anna Schenk
(KHCL-WLP) in Bolligen in 1809. The
marriage record says her father’s name is Hans Ulrich. There are two Anna Schenk’s born in 1788 when
she was born. Ulrich Schenk and Anna
Kupfer had a daughter, <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=LDMF-Z5N" target="_blank">Anna (LDMF-Z5N)</a>, in May of 1788 in Schwimmbach; and Hans
Ulrich Schenk and Elisabeth Krayenbuhl had a daughter, Anna (KHCL-WLP), in
February of 1788 in Vechigen. The
records indicate that the Anna from Schwimmbach, died 3 November 1792, age 4. Schwimmbach is a hamlet in Signau parish.
<a href="http://goo.gl/maps/jpnWP" target="_blank">Vechigen is about 12 miles east of Signau.</a>
When Anna Schenk died in 1859 her birth is recorded as February
1788. Three months after their marriage
in Bolligen their first son, Christian, was born in Vechigen as well their
second child, Anna. The witnesses to the
ten children of Christian Stettler and Anna Schenk are inconclusive in
identifying possible relatives of Anna. It
is obvious that the Anna Schenk that married Christian Stettler is from
Vechigen and counter to the conclusion found in Billeter’s research.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">Upon looking
at the Hans Ulrich Schenk who lived in Vechigen I find additional errors. Billeters research provides no clues as to
where the children were born other than Signau which is the heimat of this Schenk
family. <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I1720&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">Hans Ulrich Schenk had 12 children with 2 wives</a>. The first 3
children were born in Worb where he married Elisabeth Rüfenacht, he had three
additional children in Vechigen and then Elisabeth Rufenacht died in 1778. He then married Elizabeth Krayenbuhl in 1779
and had 6 additional children, one of which was Anna in 1788. Hans Ulrich then died in Vechigen in 1811 at
the age of 75 years and 7 months which puts his birth in February 1736.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">Billeters
research divides the two families of Hans Ulrich Schenk into two separate
families with one connected to a Hans Ulrich born in 1837 (KH5M-2S9) and the other
Hans Ulrich born in 1842 (KZ5B-GT3). The Hans Ulrich born in 1837 may be the
correct person since the age is within a year, yet with all the other
inconsistencies I find in Billeter’s research concerning this family I doubt
any conclusions found. The research appears to be based on convenient guessing
rather than real research. In fact, some
of errors are so obvious it appears to be an act of disinformation. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">I might
mention Ulrich Schenk and Anna Kupfer had a son, Christian who was a well known
mechanical engineer or inventor, and grandparents of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Schenk" target="_blank">Johan Karl Schenk</a> a famous
pastor, politician, and member of the Swiss Federation Council. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">If you have
any Schenk ancestors from Signau it may be a good idea to revisit the research
and verify the accuracy of the current research in the FamilyTree. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com1Vechigen, Switzerland46.9461696 7.561361000000033546.859481599999995 7.3999995000000336 47.0328576 7.7227225000000335tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-78921425339783769742014-04-07T00:13:00.002-06:002014-04-07T00:29:24.400-06:00Baumgarten and Röthenbach Bösiger’s<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;">
After sorting out the Schenk family of Signau that lived in
Vechigen I move onto the Bösiger family.
<span lang="DE-CH">The Bösiger family
lived in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzogenbuchsee" target="_blank">Herzogenbuchsee</a> kirchgemeinde. It is commonly written Boesiger, since <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut" target="_blank">umlauts</a> were not used in American research (ö = oe). This kirchgemeinde has <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Graben,+Switzerland&daddr=Berken,+Switzerland+to:Bettenhausen,+Switzerland+to:Bollodingen,+Switzerland+to:Heimenhausen,+Switzerland+to:Hermiswil,+Switzerland+to:Herzogenbuchsee,+Switzerland+to:Inkwil,+Switzerland+to:Nieder%C3%B6nz,+Switzerland+to:Ober%C3%B6nz,+Switzerland+to:Ochlenberg,+Switzerland+to:R%C3%B6thenbach+bei+Herzogenbuchsee,+Switzerland+to:Th%C3%B6rigen,+Switzerland+to:Wanzwil,+Switzerland&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sll=47.188104,7.713774&sspn=0.125293,0.308647&geocode=FUBv0AIdqM11ACllpx_fMdWRRzFUvlqopbMhHA%3BFZiU0AId7pt1ACkBUNPSGNWRRzH1naxNRLWt7A%3BFerNzwIdB7h1ACnbIgtwtCqORzEJ2jbVqBKkUw%3BFdq4zwIdEaV1ACmxkBF4tiqORzHt1bsWQ2u-bQ%3BFaxd0AIden51ACkTalZgE9WRRzEgBBlAiP8ABA%3BFQN-zwId5XR1ACldXI1S1yqORzEBZpx1mzWcjw%3BFZAI0AIdvIF1ACmjsy_cWdWRRzG0I-ph5etlGw%3BFdwo0AIdARN1ACn1s6pAhNWRRzFEZdQqnUM6cg%3BFbH_zwIdxmd1ACl_xoAOmyqORzGP6qwMePxFkQ%3BFTrnzwIdomh1ACkJIw0MlSqORzH60HaRqum-Vg%3BFbZzzwIdlAp2ACld0j4xIdWPRzEeMOpUZtQ3lA%3BFcBJ0AIdvjp1AClTSqxmdtWRRzH5V294e-jJ0A%3BFdzOzwIdiut1ACkz02oZPtWPRzEi0sbrsa2-oA%3BFWQ30AIdJGF1AClxt56mZdWRRzHEMw067bySvw&oq=Wanzwil,&t=h&mra=ls&z=12" target="_blank">14 gemeindes in it</a>. </span>Our ancestors are found in
the gemeindes of Röthenbach and Graben.
The research for this family was conducted about 1964, submitted 1966. </div>
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What is unique about Graben is that the
registers generally do not mention <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Graben,+Switzerland&daddr=Baumgarten,+Graben,+Switzerland+to:Burach,+Graben,+Switzerland+to:Kleinholz,+Graben,+Switzerland+to:Sch%C3%B6rlish%C3%BCsere,+Graben,+Switzerland&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.218373,7.723002&spn=0.015653,0.038581&sll=47.219743,7.723732&sspn=0.015652,0.038581&geocode=FUBv0AIdqM11ACllpx_fMdWRRzFUvlqopbMhHA%3BFV2D0AIdT8Z1AClxMiYlLtWRRzHxrw8Eqo7VLQ%3BFdOM0AIdW9J1ACmBpR-bLtWRRzH7MV2g5bRFOw%3BFQRw0AIdm7Z1ACkBM2yvMNWRRzG46k6ymMshDw%3BFTCN0AIdyvx1AClL_XaO0yqQRzFgYuy0kHXZWA&oq=schorl&t=h&mra=ls&z=15" target="_blank">Graben</a> by name but the hamlets within the
gemeinde. Baumgarten is a small area
within the Gemeinde; north of there is
Burrach and south of there is Kleinholz.
In <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/" target="_blank">familytree</a> and many old family group records the place is simply
written Baumgarten without a mention of Graben or Herzogenbuchsee. With the breakdown of the families in these
specific hamlets it becomes easier to sort the numerous Bösiger’s in the
area. </div>
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I focused on the <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I1936&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">1st and 2nd families of Hans Bösiger</a>.
He married Ursula Gränicher in 1743, after she died in 1762, he then
married Maria Gygax in 1763. There are
13 children between the two marriages, of which 7 or 8 survived into
adulthood. <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=KNBT-SPQ" target="_blank">View the family in the familytree</a>, it is a work in progress</div>
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In the <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I2035&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">first family</a> the 4 marriages of the children were incorrect or missing, and a key name in that family was altered from Urs to
Ursula. Urs Bösiger is found as a
witness to many of the baptisms of his siblings. In the <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I1937&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">second family</a>
only one marriage was incorrect. To view
the genealogy as it was submitted in 1966 see <a href="https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/154168?availability=Family%20History%20Library" target="_blank">film 564385, item 5</a>. These 5 marriages result in 5 new families
which adds 30 new people to the tree, and many others in the following
generations. Since the incorrect data has been around for 50 years or more I would expect some people to be baffled by the changes.</div>
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I also have come to realize that Hans Bösiger married a Maria Gygax born in 1842 rather than 1835. The Gygax family is from Thörigen gemeinde. The witnesses
to the baptisms of the children of Hans Bösiger and Maria Gygax align perfectly
with the Maria Gygax born in 1742. There
is also a match for the Maria born in 1835 who married Joseph Staub in 1766. The death records for the 2 Maria’s are yet
to be found, and that would provide absolute proof. It appears the Maria born in 1835 was chosen
simply because of her age.</div>
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This is the
<a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I1720&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">same scenario of Hans Ulrich Schenk</a>. He
married and had a family with his wife, when she died after about 20 years of marriage, he married a 20 year old,
which means that the oldest children from his first marriage are about the same
age as his new wife. He then went on to
have numerous children with his new wife.
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Within the family of Hans Bösiger and Maria Gygax I have
found three descendants who have who joined the Mormon Church. </div>
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If the Bösiger’s, Gygax’s, or any other family in Herzogenbuchsee
are to be properly researched and or organized, they need to be noted in the
<a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/" target="_blank">familytree</a> or any genealogy with the
gemeinde they come from not the parish, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzogenbuchsee" target="_blank">Herzogenbuchsee</a>, since there are <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Graben,+Switzerland&daddr=Berken,+Switzerland+to:Bettenhausen,+Switzerland+to:Bollodingen,+Switzerland+to:Heimenhausen,+Switzerland+to:Hermiswil,+Switzerland+to:Herzogenbuchsee,+Switzerland+to:Inkwil,+Switzerland+to:Nieder%C3%B6nz,+Switzerland+to:Ober%C3%B6nz,+Switzerland+to:Ochlenberg,+Switzerland+to:R%C3%B6thenbach+bei+Herzogenbuchsee,+Switzerland+to:Th%C3%B6rigen,+Switzerland+to:Wanzwil,+Switzerland&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sll=47.188104,7.713774&sspn=0.125293,0.308647&geocode=FUBv0AIdqM11ACllpx_fMdWRRzFUvlqopbMhHA%3BFZiU0AId7pt1ACkBUNPSGNWRRzH1naxNRLWt7A%3BFerNzwIdB7h1ACnbIgtwtCqORzEJ2jbVqBKkUw%3BFdq4zwIdEaV1ACmxkBF4tiqORzHt1bsWQ2u-bQ%3BFaxd0AIden51ACkTalZgE9WRRzEgBBlAiP8ABA%3BFQN-zwId5XR1ACldXI1S1yqORzEBZpx1mzWcjw%3BFZAI0AIdvIF1ACmjsy_cWdWRRzG0I-ph5etlGw%3BFdwo0AIdARN1ACn1s6pAhNWRRzFEZdQqnUM6cg%3BFbH_zwIdxmd1ACl_xoAOmyqORzGP6qwMePxFkQ%3BFTrnzwIdomh1ACkJIw0MlSqORzH60HaRqum-Vg%3BFbZzzwIdlAp2ACld0j4xIdWPRzEeMOpUZtQ3lA%3BFcBJ0AIdvjp1AClTSqxmdtWRRzH5V294e-jJ0A%3BFdzOzwIdiut1ACkz02oZPtWPRzEi0sbrsa2-oA%3BFWQ30AIdJGF1AClxt56mZdWRRzHEMw067bySvw&oq=Wanzwil,&t=h&mra=ls&z=12" target="_blank">14 gemeindes</a>. The same surname will be found in numerous gemeindes within the parish, and there is no point in trying to connect them since they will not be related. In the case of <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Graben,+Switzerland&daddr=Baumgarten,+Graben,+Switzerland+to:Burach,+Graben,+Switzerland+to:Kleinholz,+Graben,+Switzerland+to:Sch%C3%B6rlish%C3%BCsere,+Graben,+Switzerland&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.218373,7.723002&spn=0.015653,0.038581&sll=47.219743,7.723732&sspn=0.015652,0.038581&geocode=FUBv0AIdqM11ACllpx_fMdWRRzFUvlqopbMhHA%3BFV2D0AIdT8Z1AClxMiYlLtWRRzHxrw8Eqo7VLQ%3BFdOM0AIdW9J1ACmBpR-bLtWRRzH7MV2g5bRFOw%3BFQRw0AIdm7Z1ACkBM2yvMNWRRzG46k6ymMshDw%3BFTCN0AIdyvx1AClL_XaO0yqQRzFgYuy0kHXZWA&oq=schorl&t=h&mra=ls&z=15" target="_blank">Graben</a>, it is hamlets, since the records separates the families by hamlets. </div>
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Herzogenbuchsee, Switzerland47.1881119 7.700924100000065747.1449524 7.6202431000000654 47.231271400000004 7.7816051000000659tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-40156213584148031102013-11-11T23:37:00.000-07:002015-04-13T13:43:39.225-06:00Julius Billeter's Notes <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/showmedia.php?mediaID=20&medialinkID=28" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEFRz4EaRkxpSNMb0TuugPRD_U3llSqlhfRIq4MtKtIDu5qoUItJPsrUs5-VwYNiHDUC5HrXlASHa75NAiYPudZ0bIJa51ItBjXfhN0b2xnZG-NaaYzKhpwHIsadOgmf6571NgtzFyrp8/s200/jufer+5+6.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
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As I have noted in past posts, most people in the Switzerland are associated exclusively with their hiemat regardless of where they lived. By reviewing Billeter’s notes one can see that this was his methodology. In the computer age the advantage that Billeter gave us is to be able to find records on people and families much quicker using the dates and the hiemat a person was associated with. His work can be used as a means to an end.<br />
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<span style="font-size: larger;">Transcription of family entry. <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/showmedia.php?mediaID=20&medialinkID=28" target="_blank">View Original</a> </span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">Top of Page - Jufer v. Melch. (Melchnau)</span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">Jb (Joh) <span title="marriage date">2.10.78</span> 19.8.42 d 26.6.83 - <span style="font-size: x-small;">(4th family down left side)</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">Barb Frauchiger v. Auswil (Joh) </span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">Barb 22.10.79 4.99 Jb Ladermann v. Madiswil</span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">Magd 13.5.81 ?? d 18.2.93 11.9</span><br />
<span style="color: #274e13;">√ J Uli 30.3.83</span><br />
<span style="font-size: smaller;">Abbreviations - Jb =Jacob; Joh=Johannes; Barb=Barbara; Magd=Magdalena; J Uli=Johann Ulrich </span><br />
(There are a few errors in the notes. Barbara Frauchiger was from Eriswil not Auswil, The second child was Maria not Magdalena.)<br />
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Julius Billiter was quite remarkable in his ability to research so many people in an organized manner. Where ever a person was living their baptism, burial, and marriage was recorded in their hiemat. If they happened to be living anywhere other than their hiemat it was recorded there as well, so for many people there are two copies of the event in different handwriting. Deciphering the handwriting can be difficult at times. Having two copies makes it easier. It is wise to check every copy available since the pfarrer or pastor in each parish did not always record the same facts. It appears that Billeter did not consult multiple copies of a record.<br />
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It has been noted that there are errors in his work in connecting adult married children to parents; however, pre 1810 the records can be sparse with information. Every family basically used the same given names. Starting in the 1810’s the record keeping increased substantially, thus making it possible to make solid connections from one generation to the next. <u>The most important record keeping change can be found in the marriage record when they started recording the getauft or baptism date of those who were getting married. </u> The death records started to record the exact age a person down to the day and you will begin to find a death date written on a baptism record. Getauft or baptism records started to record the grandfathers name consistently and the parents’ marriage date. Some parishes adopted the new standards quickly while other lagged behind.<br />
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Summary of Billeters notes:<br />
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<li>At the top of each page are the Surname and the hiemat</li>
<li>Birth and death dates are exclusively associated with the hiemat</li>
<li>The dates are accurate with a few exceptions</li>
<li>All the <a href="http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Switzerland_Names,_Personal#Swiss_Name_abbreviations_used_in_Julius_Billeter_research" target="_blank">given names are abbreviated</a></li>
<li>What resembles a check mark next to some people means that line continues on another page</li>
<li>Billeter’s handwriting can be difficult to decipher</li>
<li>Birth, Death, and Marriage dates are recorded without location</li>
<li>The spouses full name is recorded and her hiemat</li>
<li> Females took their spouses hiemat upon marriage</li>
<li>Not digitized - <a href="https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/193135?availability=Family%20History%20Library" target="_blank">On film</a></li>
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It is not really necessary to review the notes on every family, only when there is a question with the family connections. Knowing the date and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimat" target="_blank">hiemat</a> is typically enough to locate a person in the parish registers. Use Billeters notes as a means to an end in creating an accurate genealogy by <a href="https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1640373" target="_blank">consulting the church books</a>. The results of Billeters work is on <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=tree&section=pedigree" target="_blank">Family Search Family Tree</a>, start adding places, correcting errors and making accurate lineage connections with sources.Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Melchnau, Switzerland47.1822003 7.851631900000029447.139027299999995 7.7709509000000292 47.2253733 7.93231290000003tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-31872299427217724862013-11-04T11:31:00.000-07:002013-12-09T16:01:12.191-07:00Swiss genealogies on Family Tree at familysearch.org <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/showmedia.php?mediaID=20&medialinkID=28" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" target="_blank"><img alt="Example from collection of Julius Billeters notes that are found on film at the Family History Library. " border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEFRz4EaRkxpSNMb0TuugPRD_U3llSqlhfRIq4MtKtIDu5qoUItJPsrUs5-VwYNiHDUC5HrXlASHa75NAiYPudZ0bIJa51ItBjXfhN0b2xnZG-NaaYzKhpwHIsadOgmf6571NgtzFyrp8/s200/jufer+5+6.jpg" title="Example of Julius Billeter's Notes" /></a></td></tr>
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Since most of the Swiss genealogies are the result of <a href="http://www.theswisscenter.org/swissroots/genealogy/?Id=268" target="_blank">Julius Billeter's</a> research, the same inherit problems I found in my research, will be found in most genealogies on <a href="https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=tree&section=pedigree" target="_blank">Family Search Family Tree</a>. It is estimated that Julius Billeter research resulted in the submission of over 1 million names during his career as a genealogist. The genealogies are submissions made pre 1960’s, and many of the genealogies on <a href="https://familysearch.org/" target="_blank">Family Tree</a> are unchanged from those submissions. Family Tree has the largest collection of Swiss genealogies in the world.<span style="color: green;"> For those of us with Bernese ancestry it just became a lot easier to create an accurate genealogy. Now with the click of the mouse one can view the same parish registers that Julius Billeter used to compile all those genealogies.</span><br />
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The Stettler’s of Bolligen on the Family Tree is the result of research conducted by Julius Billiter in the 1920’s, 1930’s and 1940’s. <a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I144&tree=Bolligen" target="_blank">Ernest Stettler</a> and others paid Julius Billeter money over the years to gather genealogies of particular families. Billeter sent them over 15,000 names over the years. Now we have a snap shot of the research on the FamilyTree that is a result of the submissions made to the church as a result of Julis Billeters research. I have gone through my various lines adding sources, and I found errors, omissions, and duplication of submissions. I have added over 100 new people to the genealogy. <br />
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The problem is twofold; how Billeter recorded the information and how it was <a href="http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Family_Group_Records_Collection" target="_blank">submitted to the church</a>. The family group sheets which were started in the early 1940’s contained no place to enter the death or marriage place of children. On Family Tree rarely is there a death place, and the marriage place is not recorded or the place can be a gemeinde, not a kirchgemeinde. When I started researching 6 months ago I had the Maurer family from Zollikofen. Every records says they were born and married in Zollikofen; however, I could find no entry in the catalog referring to Zollikofen. Zollikofen is a gemeinde in the kirchgemeinde of Bremgarten, so all the births, deaths, and marriages will be recorded there. Anyone who lived in Zollikofen or had a hiemat there will be found in the church books of Bremgarten.<br />
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While all the dates are quite accurate, the place names are based on the hiemat or community from which they originate from. The Frauchiger family from Eriswil who were living in Busswil bei Melchnau as early as 1740 are still recorded as being born in Eriswil, or Wyssachengraben which is a gemeinde of Eriswil, in the 1850’s. People moved around often, yet this is not reflected in the genealogies. One would think that they lived in one gemeinde for centuries without change. Typically they did not live far from there hiemat. <br />
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This article focuses on Bern canton. <span style="color: green;">With the Church books of Bern Canton online now it is possible to compare, correct, and source the genealogies on Family Search Family Tree.</span> Filmed copies of the church books were made available in the early 1990’s at familysearch (before computers); thereafter, digital copies of the church books were made<a href="http://pictonpress.com/category/1013" target="_blank"> available on CD</a>. Now the church books are online, <a href="https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1640373" target="_blank"><b>500 thousand pages worth</b></a>. <br />
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Summary of original genealogies on Family Tree
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<li>Perhaps we should call it, Billeter's genealogy</li>
<li>people are recorded as being born in there hiemat exclusively </li>
<li>marriages are associated with a persons hiemat rather than where it took place</li>
<li>most deaths and many marriages have no place name attached</li>
<li>errors or omissions exist, but only will be discovered by reviewing the church books</li>
<li>Deaths records are marginalized, valuable information can be found in death records</li>
<li>Getauft and geboren dates are interchangeable</li>
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Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Switzerland46.818188 8.227511999999933344.0360805 3.0639379999999337 49.6002955 13.391085999999934tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-52159347045349929612013-10-24T22:34:00.000-06:002013-10-24T22:41:14.228-06:00Gemeinde, Kirchgemeinde, SwitzerlandI have found a few very useful websites in sorting out the community where people lived as well as a description of the gemeinde or community of each place in Switzerland. As an example I will focus on the gemeinde and kirchgemeinde of Melchnau in Bern Canton. The gemeinde of Melchnau was 4 square miles and the kirchgemeinde was 10 square miles and included the gemeindes of Busswil, Gondiswil, and Reisiswil. To determine which surnames that belonged to each gemeinde, hiemat, or community go to the website, <a href="http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/famn/index.php?lg=e"><b>Register of Swiss Surnames</b></a>. In german is its called, Familiennamebuch der Schweiz. The kirchgemiende of Melchnau is where the church records were kept for the 10 square mile area. The parish registers are on film, CD, and online at familysearch. While baptisms may have taken place in the hiemat or community, the marriages would have taken place in the parish church in Melchanu. Or as I have learned they may have went to a nearby parish church or kirchgemeinde to get married.<br>
To get an idea about the gemeinde or community where they lived go to the website, <a href="http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/index.php"><b>Historisches Lexikon der Schweiz</b></a>; type a place name in the search box (Melchnau, Busswil, Gondiswil, and Reisiswil), and then click the link to the place. It will come up in german. Copy the text into <a href="http://translate.google.com/"><b>Google translate</b></a> and in seconds you will have an English translation.
These communities or gemeindes were in the district of Arawangen but now in the district of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberaargau">Oberaargau</a>. Wikipedia provides details about each place.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-70225375737411221872013-06-15T23:05:00.000-06:002013-06-16T11:55:23.615-06:00138 year Closure Period for Records in SwitzerlandNow we know that the family lived in Recherswil we can look at marriages of the children. The seven girls in the family would have married men from the area, so they would not be found in Affoltern registers, except for their marriages. The women took the hiemat of their husbands. <b>It doesn't matter anyway.</b> In Switzerland the closure period for records begins in 1876. This means that those who married after 1876, there is no marriage record available for viewing; therefore, all those young people who married post 1876 cannot be traced to the next generation. It is not possible to trace post 1876 descendants in Switzerland. When I was at the zivilstandsamt in Tracheswald some years ago I was able to get the familienschein for the Christen family. The familienscheins are limited to direct line ancestors; although, I’m not sure how they police this standard since I produced family group sheets of the family as evidence of my connection. I would assume this 138 year closure period is why so few Swiss genealogies can be found, and those found with people after 1876 can be considered unreliable since no records can be used to verify the accuracy. <br> I used to think a hundred year closure period was harsh. When they do change the closure period to 1900 it will take many years for the records in the form of microfilm or online images to become accessible. Probably after 2025. Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-49432804483446509502013-06-13T22:44:00.000-06:002013-06-14T19:15:08.253-06:00Did your Swiss ancestor live in their hiemat?The concept of recording the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimat">hiemat</a> of a family for a birthplace rather than where they lived or born is and was a wide spread practice in Swiss research. It is for one simple reason, their records were kept there; however, a record was kept where they lived as well. As time marched on more and more people were no longer living in their hiemat. I have wondered how Anna Christen (1861-1917) from Affoltern met and married Gottfried Jaggi (1860-1918) in 1883 in Kriegstetten, canton of Solothurn. The family group sheets of the past provide no clues. I followed the paper trail (parish registers) of Anna’s family from when her parents, Peter Christen and Maria Bürki, married in 1860 in Affoltern im Emmental. They had 11 childern from 1860 till 1881. They never lived in Affoltern im Emmental after they married. For 9 years after their marriage they lived about 8 miles north of Affoltern in Rohrbach parish, and many years in the town of Lemiswil. About 1870 is when they arrived in Recherswil. Both Anna and Peter died there.<br>
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Distances: <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/CHDQy">Affoltern im Emmental to Rohrbach</a> – 8 miles; Rohrbach to Lemiswil – 3 miles; <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/g2IyX">Lemiswil to Recherswil</a> – 12 miles
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<li><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-31418-2492-84?cc=2060211&wc=M9MV-VJ6:n1428739496">Family group sheet prepared in the 1950’s by Gottfried Jaggi</a>
<li><a href="http://donjaggi.net/gottfried/getperson.php?personID=I59&tree=Recherswil">Jaggi Stettler website; Peter Christen and Anna Bürki</a>
<li><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19474-104048-86?cc=1640373&wc=12771928">A picture of the baptism record of Anna Christen (1861-1917) (#29)</a><br>
To view the images at familysearch you must login. If you don’t have a login, create one. Its freeDon Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-43707050766663460882013-06-12T10:46:00.000-06:002013-11-11T10:20:46.989-07:00Swiss Records OnlineResearching Swiss ancestry has just become a lot easier. The parish records of canton Bern have been put online at <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927039">familysearch.org</a>; since 3/4 of my Swiss ancestry is from canton Bern this makes it easy to access the records from home. What makes these records at familysearch so valuable is the ability to link the records to the ancestors in the <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/">Family Tree</a>. I have linked over 500 such records to names in the family tree. Now anyone can go to the tree and will find a source with a link to the original document from which the information was obtained. It will take some study of the handwriting to decipher what it says. Since our grandparents came to this country over 100 year ago they have been submitting information and participating in the various genealogical programs by the church. All the submissions of the past have been based on the hiemat or community or parish from which the family originated from many 100’s of years ago. This means that regardless of where they lived in Switzerland a record of a marriage, baptism, or death will be found in one place. Some had not lived in their home parish for decades, but I have found that almost all of them remained in canton Bern. The baptism, marriage, or burial is recorded also where they were living, so there are multiple entries in the registers for one event. It is of value to check all the entries since more information may have been recorded by one parish clerk than the other. By looking at the genealogy of the past one would think that everyone lived in one place.
NOTE: If there is no source linked to a person in the Family Tree then add one. Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-3224663192405071662013-03-02T07:57:00.000-07:002013-03-02T07:57:01.607-07:00William Bye moved to Blythburgh in 1811It’s not often that we get a detailed picture of an ancestor’s circumstance. The result of a court case involving his son, <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I1&tree=williambye">John Bye</a>, resulted in the publication of his circumstances in some law books in 1825. These law publications were put online by Google as an eBook. By making a simple Google search <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=O1QDAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA94&ots=cTcNlj1G6S&dq=chillesford%20children&pg=PA94#v=snippet&q=bye%20chillesford&f=false">I found the court case</a>. Everyone had a parish of settlement. Agricultural laborers were often out of work for some months during the year. Only the parish that they were settled in gave relief. This resulted in people when in hard times were physically removed to a settled parish. The law kept people close to the parish they were born in, thus allowing us to find families in the or near the same place for many generations. In 1824, John Bye living in Blythburgh with a wife and four children where his father lived was seeking poor relief. He was born in 1798 in Chillesford. Under the clause of ‘Hiring and Service,’ under parish law, the churchwardens were through some confusion, actually did have John Bye and his family removed back to Chillesford. A year later the case was overturned in the courts and he was allowed back to Blythburgh. He never did go back to Blythburgh. In another blog entry I’ll explain what happened to his family. Even though the case is about John Bye, the published case focuses on how <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I1257&tree=williambye">William Bye</a> came to be in Blythburgh. Was Blythburgh William Bye’s settled parish? <br>
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<center>“William Bye, the pauper’s father, being a married man, and settled in Chillesford, let himself to Mr. Taylor, of Blythburgh, better than fourteen years ago, (about 1811) as a shepherd; he was to have for the first year, forty shillings for wages, ten coombs of wheat and two of barley, produced on the farm, the going of thirty breeding ewes, worth 10l. a year, and a cottage in Blythburgh, rent free, worth three guineas a year. W. Bye continued with Mr. Taylor for fourteen years upon the same term… …If W. Bye had not had the cottage, he would have more wages, and it was convenient for him as a shepherd, as it was on the spot. W. Bye hired every year one or two pages, over whom Mr. Taylor had no control, and about nine years ago, when one Jarvis, one of the pages, was to leave, W. Bye, about a week before old Midsummer, agreed with his son, the pauper, who was at that time nineteen years of age, and unemancipated, to serve him for a year, from old Michaelmas to old Michaelmas, in Jarvis’s place, at the same wages 8l. a year, which time the pauper served, and slept in Blythburgh, being then unmarried, in his father’s house. “
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There must be some originally documents from which this case was decided and created that would provide even more details, but I have not been able to find anything online. What biographical information!
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Blythburgh, Suffolk, UK52.3134413 1.588190499999996152.2357783 1.4268289999999961 52.3911043 1.749551999999996tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-22383633616336454392013-02-27T12:01:00.000-07:002013-03-02T08:00:28.234-07:00William Bye 1761 to 1831 - Suffok, EnglandI have recently started researching<a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I1257&tree=williambye"> William Bye</a>. Mary Bye his daughter is who married Philip Scoggins in 1814 in Badingham. The only clue we have as to where she was born is the 1851 census of Badingham. It says she was born in Orford parish in about 1791. From looking at the available records it becomes apparent that the surname Bye is not very common in East Suffolk. It was quite easy to identify him in the records. He married Mary Saunders in 1791 and the next year, 1792, she was born in Orford. He had 3 more children with Mary until she died in 1797. He then married Martha Randall in 1798 and had five more children. He is found living in the parishes of Orford, Sudbourne, and Chillesford between 1771 and 1811. <br>
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<center><b>Ipswich Journal February 3, 1802</b> <br>
To be SOLD by AUCTION; By John Ashley Rogers, On Saturday, the 17th day of July, at the Chequers in Sudbourn, at Five o'clock in the afternoon, A FREEHOLD Brick and Tiled Dwelling House, situated in Chillesford street; comprising two lower rooms and two comfortable chambers, and a large piece of garden ground, paled in. The premises are in most excellent repair, and well supplied with water; are now in the occupation of Wm. Bye, the owner. Possession may be had at Michaelmas next, For further particulars apply to the auctioneer, Orford.
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We find some valuable clues about William when he sold his house in Chillesford. He lived in a comfortable house and was the actual the owner of his property. His occupation appears to be farmer and shepherd. With the indexing of baptisms by the Suffolk Family History Society it looks likely he will soon be identified in the parish registers. There are numerous articles in the Ipswich papers for those selling land. Findmypast has recently made available these papers. Also the Ipswich Journal is available at the Family history Library 1800 to 1900 on another website.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com2Chillesford, Suffolk IP12, UK52.1234528 1.490811500000063552.0844508 1.4101305000000635 52.162454800000006 1.5714925000000635tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-43626354944769462832013-02-24T16:09:00.000-07:002013-02-24T17:00:24.161-07:00The Wealthy Flory Family of Suffolk, part 2The Wealthy Flory Family of Suffolk
The monumental inscription for the family in Tattingstone records Thomas and his two wives, Elizabeth who died in 1777 and his wife of 25 years, Elizabeth Garrod who died in 1835. It also records his mother who died in 1799. Thomas had two children from his first marriage. It becomes apparent from reading the Will of his mother and his will that he had a son Thomas. There is no record of where he is living, nor is there a baptism entry in the Tattingstone Parish registers. There is an entry for Elizabeth’s baptism in 1777. The marriage bond records that Thomas married Elizabeth Southgate in Bacton in 1774. Upon looking at those records I find a Thomas Flora baptized 6 Dec 1774. This is the second time I have come across the Flura, Flora, variant spelling of the surname. <br>
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We find a Thomas and Ann Maria Flory having 3 children in Martlesham; Thomas Smith, Ann Maria, and Robert. Then there is, Thomas Flory, a <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I5174&tree=scogings">wealthy farmer living in Witnesham</a> with numerous children. The monumental inscription in Witnesham has Thomas Smith Flory, and Robert Flory recorded on it. This tells us that the children in Martlesham and Witnesham are part of the same family. He died in 1835 and left a will that notes some key relationships. His estate was valued at 3000 pounds. <br>
It is the Wills of both Thomas Flory of Tattingstone who died in 1812 and Thomas who died in 1835 in Witnesham that link them together. Thomas of Tattingstone leaves 100 pounds for his daughter Elizabeth Davey. The Thomas of Witnesham leaves money to his sister, Elizabeth Davey, a widow. Without that common relationship between the two wills it would only be a calculated guess. Without the wills we only have his age and the name Thomas mentioned in the wills. There is no mention of Tattingstone or where the Thomas of Witnesham was born. <br>
Interestingly enough we find the marriage of Elizabeth Flory to Richard Davey in Bacton in 1795. No Wills can be found for Richard or Elizabeth Davey. <br>
If you want to read the will of Thomas who died in 1835 it is online. It was probated in the Consistory Court of Norwich. <a href="http://www.norfolksources.norfolk.gov.uk/DserveNS/">(select Probate - type in Flory in the search box)</a> It is 22 pages.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0Witnesham, Suffolk IP6, UK52.117848 1.186471999999980726.595813500000002 -40.122122000000019 77.6398825 42.49506599999998tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-26246852570654607872013-02-22T22:35:00.000-07:002014-10-22T13:36:03.386-06:00The Wealthy Flory Family of SuffolkI recently added a new line branching off of Richard Flory and Mary Gildersleeve. <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I3000&tree=scogings">Thomas their youngest</a> son born in 1724 had remained a mystery like many of these early ancestors. Come to find out Thomas’s line could be considered the millionaires of the Flory line. Richard never mentioned Thomas in his will of 1756, nor did any of the other siblings in their wills. There appears to be no marriage record of his marriage to Mary Broom other than a marriage bond found in the Archdeaconry of Suffolk’s records. It says, “Thomas Flura in the parish of Clopton, age 22 “ also “Mary Broom of the parish of Debach.” The marriage was to take place in Saxmundham some ten miles east of from Clopton in 1749. No record of the marriage can be found in Saxmundham.<br />
Fast forward to the Thomas Flory found in Tattingstone who was a wealthy land owner with many children who was born about 1752. When he died in 1812 he had nearly a 1000 pounds in wealth. There was also another Thomas Flory in Tattingstone that died in 1810 and he left no will. Then we have, Thomas’s mother, Mary Flory who died in 1799 who left a will. Her will was made in 1795 and <a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=D735911">probated in 1802 in London</a> at the Preprogative Court. She mentions her son Thomas and grandson Thomas and daughter Mary Emmerson. Also her daughter Elizabeth Smith the wife of John Smith of Tattingstone.<br />
There was no way to connect Thomas Flura of Clopton and married in Saxmundham in 1749 to a Thomas Flory in Tattingstone as there are numerous Thomas’s in the records. I decided to check the Broom will’s. I found a will for a Henry Broom in 1780 in Debach. It said, “I give and bequeath unto Mary Flory of Tattingstone.... widow the sum of eighty two pounds.” That one sentence ties the marriage of Thomas Flory and Mary Broom to the wealthy farmer in Tattingstone. Henry Broom was a wealthy farmer in Debach. <a href="http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/1812/mb.ashx">(check out Henry Broom’s will)</a> As Mary was a widow in 1780 I find the burial of Thomas Flory in Hemingstone in 1770 where his daughter, Mary, married James Emmerson in 1772. It appears that Henry Broom set up his grandchild, Thomas, in the farming business after his father died.
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From this point on we find that there is a lot of wealth in the next generations of this family, but it does appear that the Surname Flory was not carried on into the twentieth century through this line.
Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com2Tattingstone, Suffolk IP9, UK51.991817999999988 1.109905000000026126.469783499999988 -40.198688999999973 77.513852499999985 42.418499000000025tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-54059462851401657612012-12-13T12:39:00.000-07:002012-12-13T12:40:33.707-07:00Military Pay Lists<a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/">Findmypast</a> some months ago put online an index of people in the 1861<b> military pay lists</b>. 245,000 men are listed. This is just a snap shot of who was in the military at that particular time. I was missing a few people between the 1851 and 1861 census. I was wondering what happened to <i>David Scoggins who was born in 1833 in Badingham</i>. He was in the 1851 census and then he just vanished. There is a David Scoggins listed as being in Hazaribagh East Indies in the 77th foot (East Middlesex Regiment) Out of all the military records online there is no mention of him. Next time I make it to the National Archives I will need to trace him through the <b>pay list</b> to see when he joined and when and how he left the military. The <b>pay list</b> are big bulky books that each regiment carried around with them. There not on microfilm. If you want a detailed view of where a military man went in his career then the <b>pay lists</b> will tell you. I sure hope they put some <b>pay list</b> online from the Napoleonic wars. A lot of men disappeared and if they died in the wars the only mention you may find of them will be in the pay lists. There is also a possibility that his birthplace will be found in the lists which would confirm his identity. There are <a href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/army-muster-1730-1898.htm">pay lists for every regiment</a> starting in about 1730.Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-40999457563240622562012-04-14T14:51:00.004-06:002012-12-13T11:40:08.105-07:00Scoggins Civil Registration Marriages 1837 to 1851<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjP8HBgdvdfPQ5qQ4fYe7eViYSLPtBFfhKfcvE4PfzgPXl3BEiYbYnWRP_D0RduAjypkfJC0h3lMupALq72lOiDXha0OUDKHtgK7PykA_zsycs3RbQIKPYEsL7u-DNg57UaN6BotXh8BnM/s1600/scog+marriages.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear:right; float:right; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em"><img border="0" height="200" width="192" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjP8HBgdvdfPQ5qQ4fYe7eViYSLPtBFfhKfcvE4PfzgPXl3BEiYbYnWRP_D0RduAjypkfJC0h3lMupALq72lOiDXha0OUDKHtgK7PykA_zsycs3RbQIKPYEsL7u-DNg57UaN6BotXh8BnM/s200/scog+marriages.JPG" /></a></div> <br />Using <a href="http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl">FREEBMD civil registration indexes</a> I have located 53 Scoggins, Scroggins marriages between 1837 and 1851. To find all the various spellings I used a wildcard. In the search box I put (scog*) The star or asterisk placed at the end picks up all the letters after. It may be surprising to know that any surname that starts with Scog is going to be a variant of Scoggins, Scoging, etc. <br />Scoggins and its various spellings are not very common, so it is possible to sort through them. Of the 53 marriages which took place 23 took place in Suffolk or 40%. 38 of the 53 can be traced back into Suffolk through research between 1775 and 1851. This means 75% of them have Suffolk roots. The remaining 25% or 15 marriages are scattered in 7 other counties with London area having 5. I have also noticed that some Northern England Scoggins have unique variants of their own, i.e. Skoggins, Scigens<br />On FREEBMD it is possible to add postems to each entry, so I have placed a postem for 28 of the 53 marriages. The postem I have included includes a transcription of the marriage record excluding the witnesses as I ran out of space as only 250 characters are allowed. If you have a marriage record, transcribe it and create a postem.<br />I have also found a marriage church record of William Bye Scogings in 1849 that is not in the civil registration indexes. I found that marriage on ancestry.com London marriage records.Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-22428621779840765142010-05-16T00:34:00.005-06:002010-05-16T11:08:55.856-06:00John Ridley in Pay Lists - WO12When I was at the National Archives many years ago I looked through the Pay Lists for the 7th Regiment of Foot. I knew from the pension records that <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I247&tree=1893barre">John Ridley</a> had served 16 Years, 10 months and he was discharged on Oct 21 1821. I ordered a series of pay list that for the 7th Regiment starting in the 1804 -1806 time period. (WO12/2542) I was thumbing through the actual pay list books that the regiment carried with them. I found in the list where John Ridley first appears. It was on May 10 1805 the he joined the 7th regiment of foot, he had volunteered from the militia. Many of the men on the list had joined from the militia about the same time he did. His pay due was 15 shilling. There is a column on the preprinted form that says ‘in lieu of Beer’ He received his pay in beer. Everyone on the page received some of their wages in lieu of beer. The list is dated June 7, 1805 at Wakefield. It appears that he joined the regiment while it was at Wakefield, Yorkshire.<br />I followed the movements of the regiment through the pay lists. In 1808 the regiment went to Nova Scotia. It was there most of the year. In early 1809 I find a list of men who were killed in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Martinique_%281809%29">siege of Martinique</a>, 38 privates and 7 officers. Over the next five years the regiment was in Denmark, Spain, Portugal, and France. In 1815 it says they camped near Paris. The 7th was in many battles and suffered many casualties. John Ridley was wounded twice.Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-22624505209781727912010-04-20T12:32:00.013-06:002010-04-20T16:38:31.161-06:00Scottish Records Online - 1797 Horse TaxIt has been about three years since I put a transcription of the 1797 horse tax for the <a href="http://donjaggi.net/galloway/urrhorsetax.html">Pairh of Urr</a> in Kirkcudbright on a website. Today I have discovered that the <a href="http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital_volumes/dv.php?dv_id=62">horse tax lists</a> for the entire country have been digitized and is now online. There is no searchable index. The images of the lists can be downloaded or saved. The lists are organized by county and then by parish. The name of the man who had the horses is recorded as well as how many horses he had and how much tax was paid. It also records the name of the land or estate that he occupied. Typically parish registers do not record the estate a family lived on. The horse tax is one source of many that one would put on his or her list to look at while at the National Archives. Also on this website is a record of all <a href="http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital_volumes/book.php?book_id=553">land owners</a> in Scotland in 1872. I look forward to more records being put online. The guide for these little known or used records is the book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1841587435?ie=UTF8&tag=scogimckengen-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1841587435">Tracing Your Scottish Ancestors.</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=scogimckengen-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1841587435" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;"/><br />At <a href="http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/">ScotlandPeoples website</a> the probate indexes are available to 1900. They just put Catholic records on their website. The price to access these records is very reasonable and sometimes free. The record that I think would be of most value will be the militia lists created prior to and during the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars">Napoleonic Wars</a> (1800 to 1815). Kirkcudbrightshire has milita records that cover most parishes in the county. I have put the parish of <a href="http://donjaggi.net/galloway/urrmilitia.html">Urr militia</a> records onlineDon Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624779322316783538.post-32201395565739352292010-04-18T13:04:00.003-06:002010-04-18T13:25:42.616-06:00Flory's in TattingstoneI have been attempting to assemble some of the Flory families in the Clopton and Burgh area of Suffolk. There are just enough of them to cause some confusion since there were 7 brothers marrying in the mid 1700’s, namely ; Richard, John, Isaac, William, Benjamin, Jonathan, and Thomas. As the generations continued they had a tendency to use the same given names. I have identified 27 of their children. There could be as many as 15 more that I have not found yet, because the parish records provide little identifying information. Much of the research is based on the assertion that families lived in the same parish for many generations. When a family moved some parishes or miles from where they were born it becomes a bit more difficult to identify them. I found a marriage of <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I3009&tree=scogings">Jonathan Flory to Elizabeth Smyth</a> in 1778 in Tattingstone. This marriage record states that Jonathan is from Clopton. They went on to have 10 children in Clopton. Tattingstone is about 10 miles south of Clopton on the other side of Ipswich. Susan the sister of Jonathan died in Tattingstone in 1795. I know this for certain because in a rare instance of record keeping the burial record records her father’s name and mothers maiden name; Jonathan Flory and Mary Abbot. I found 2 families in Tattiingstone that could have a connection to Clopton. There was a Thomas born about 1752 and one about 1757. Their children were born between 1786 and 1802. There is a headstone and will for the Thomas that died in 1812. It is the other Thomas that died in 1810 at the age of 53 that appears to have a connection to Clopton. His birth year of 1757 fits with being a son of <a href="http://donjaggi.net/winnifred/getperson.php?personID=I2999&tree=scogings">Jonathan Flory and Mary Abbot</a>. He married Sarah Potter in 1784 in Tattingstone. He named a daughter Ursula. The fact that two other family members have been identified there and his birth year fits; and Ursula is a family name points to him being from Clopton. The parish registers of Clopton has a Thomas born in 1755 and 1758. It appears that Sarah Bobbit married the Thomas born in 1755 who is the son of Benjamin and Elizabeth Flory. As I looked through the Bishop Transcripts of Tattingstone I seen a number of Abbots’s, so it appears that Mary Abbot may have been the connection to Tattingstone to begin with.Don Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08522629061865373087noreply@blogger.com0